Whistleblower: "There have been coordinated online attacks" by "active duty service members or reserve service members with active clearances"

In a new interview, Matthew Brown, the whistleblower known for exposing the alleged 'Immaculate Constellation' UFO data collection programme, shed light on how the US manipulates testimonies.

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Whistleblower Matthew Brown, who stumbled upon a misplaced file suggesting that the United States had an automated system for retrieving UAP information, spoke to journalists George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell about Operation Immaculate Constellation (IMCO) and the consequences of his testimony.

IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION

He starts by explaining that IMCO “involved the intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance of UAP and RV around the world, especially in relation to our adversaries and their interactions with the phenomena.”

One thing that took off was identifying Immaculate Constellation with a specific platform or a specific cyber capability.

What is certain is that where I found it and its mission described fits with it being a operational SAP.

The office isn’t building stealth bombers, it isn’t managing surveillance and synthesis networks. It’s setting the objectives for the Pentagon, setting the objectives for what we are doing on a day-to-day basis. And what we do on a day-to-day basis are operations that are very often when they’re classified controlled in special programs. And this is one of those, to the best of my knowledge.

It basically scours all the database. and archives and platforms and military intelligence agencies, and scoops up really good UFO, UAP, USO video images, things like that, and puts it somewhere else, as if it never existed on those platforms.

That certainly appears to be one of the main functions or a capability that is part of Immaculate Constellation, since it’s an operation, again, it’s not just one platform, not just one capability, one of the things that is involved is what you just said, identifying collection events of anomalous phenomena, sequestering them outside of the general population or the general incoming stream of intelligence, and make sure that it goes to where it’s supposed to go within the legacy program, I would assume, or more broadly just the defense and intelligence community as a whole. So, you know, is AI used, clearly, right? That is a massive amount of data, is our clandestine surveillance platforms used? Yes, they’re collecting the data, they are all part of an operation, right? So one way that saps are structured is like nests. So you’ll have a parent sap above them, and it oversees many smaller programs, right?

Each of those programs might have a very specific mission, like specifically managing the classification standards, right? Ones will actually be tasked with identifying where and when to collect in the first place to task things, and then the operation itself. These are all distinct roles and responsibilities, but since you’re at the Pentagon, you’re at headquarters, these all filter up into one comprehensive strategic view where you see everything, and that’s what’s incorporated here in the Immaculate Constellation Report. So what is on display are many capabilities, many programs overseen by Immaculate Constellation.

Matthew Brown’s portrayal of the sprawling system that allegedly enables the Legacy programme to control the dissemination of UAP-related information within defence and intelligence channels is thought-provoking.

Whether used to classify this information or exploit it for other parts of the Legacy programme, such a tool would explain the numerous dead ends encountered by investigators and military personnel interested in the subject. For example, Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet explained that a UAP report had been deleted from his department’s internal messaging systems.

NSC

One of the most intriguing pieces of information presented by Matthew Brown concerns the organisation behind this programme :

It’s been learned through multiple sources that Immaculate Constellation is housed or ran out of National Security Council, which makes perfect sense given the classification structure that’s been, you know, kind of revealed by some very diligent researchers out there.

The NSC was coincidentally established in 1947 to ‘advise the President on the integration of domestic, foreign and military policies relating to national security’. It is chaired by the President of the United States and comprises:

• the Vice President;

• the Secretary of State;

• the Secretary of the Treasury;

• the Secretary of Defense;

• The Secretary of Energy;

• The Director of the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy

It may be surprising to find the Secretary of Energy on such a high-level committee, but let’s not forget that the DoE is responsible for managing US nuclear weapons.

ODNI’S LIES ?

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which co-manages the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office alongside the Department of War, has recently invited UAP whistleblowers to come forward with their information. Interestingly, it seems that information gathered during these discussions was later used to discredit the whistleblowers even though they were invited to participate in a whistleblower protection programme.

I was invited to come to Liberty Crossing, which is an intelligence facility.

I didn’t bring any technology with me. I had learned from others who had gone that people who went to Liberty Crossing and brought their phone with them, came out of their meeting and found that their phone had been hacked the entire content on it duplicated. When ODNI security was informed of that, they were told, uh, that it wasn’t them who had messed with their phone.

I’m expecting to go to like the formal conference rooms in the basement, but we end up going to essentially the conference room converted into storage slash working office space. Very X-Files, Mulder in the basement with boxes.

They even referenced the fact that they were like the X-Files office in the basement of the building.

So again, the whole reason of me being there, at least for me, is to find out about a UAP whistleblower protection program. And, you know, find out what that is and get myself into it.

And this program had been offered to friends who had gone in before. They received documents, reviewed it and signed it. And I’m basically expecting, that’s how our meeting starts, hear about this program, get into it, relay the basics of my story. They already saw the interview. So what more do you need? And then figure out, what can I do to help? I’m also bringing in additional information that was not from government sources and providing that to them as a gesture of goodwill and trust. So, you know, that’s the experience I’m expecting to have. And the experience I got was a very wide ranging, freeflowing conversation. Definitely some specific questions built in there.

Knapp : Did you sign anything ?

Matthew Brown : No, so that’s the most concerning thing for me. The whole reason of having that meeting never came about. The UAP whistleblower program by ODNI was never offered to me. I was never briefed on it. The only thing I was informed of was that, do I want to become an ICIG UAP whistleblower? Very different thing. And I’m like, no. I see no advantage in that. Based on my friends experience who have done the same thing, it is a trap.

And that was the end of that conversation. And that happened maybe 15 to 30 minutes in. Certainly not how we started out.

Corbell : I was told by them, they didn’t offer you a piece of paper to sign to protect yourself and you didn’t decline to sign it ?

Matthew Brown : No

Corbell : that was a lie I was told, is that correct?

Matthew Brown : Correct, no paper was offered to me. No program was described to me. When I indicated my disinterest in joining the ICIG, UAP whistleblower process, the conversation moved on and was not revisited.

The Trap

I came in, very skeptical. And so part of that skepticism shaped my behavior, and that was to see, okay, if this is a real genuine initiative, this is going to be a continuing relationship, they are going to seek to build a rapport with me and be concerned about my safety and wellbeing. And if those indicators are not observed, then this is not as advertised, or at least I am not perceived favorably.

So I resolved to basically say as little as possible about my UAP knowledge, especially anything outside of the Immaculate Constellation Report itself. And I took that opportunity to raise other issues to see how they would react. In my mind, there is no greater issue to the United States government than the UAP NHI problem set. So I chose a lesser one and raised that topic to see how they would respond if they’re serious national security professionals, they will recognize what I’m talking about and be interested in investigating that more.

And so that issue was specific to Israel. And I raised my concerns about the October 7th attack on Israel and intelligence I was very familiar with from the region. Very serious subject, but it still ranks below UAP. If they are not willing to engage in good faith on managing the apparent misdeeds by our closest ally, how can I trust them to handle our nation’s most closely guarded secret?

They actually wanted to know not so much about the specifics of that, but what information I had access to that led me to that conclusion. What compartments and sub compartments I was reading, basically by their questions, they wanted to know how I knew what I knew in order to go correct to that in the future and ensure that information was sequestered.

Predictable. I don’t know if that’s the course taken, but that’s what I expect was. So I won’t go into the details about why I think those things, because I am no longer a government employee. I was not a government employee when I went into ODNI. I was told by them that I could speak freely in there, but I was offered no paperwork to confirm that. So I’m being cautious here, but also, you know, it is a very telling sign, what they did afterwards with my concerns about the actions of Israel and our governments and related.

Corbell : What did they do afterwards?

Matthew Brown : I think just briefly here can state that they took my concerns about what happened that day and spun it as me having an anti-Jew agenda... that I’m an anti-Semite and that I, you know, have hatred in my heart because of October 7th about Israel and the Jewish people.

Because of who I am and what I had access to, you know I saw October 7th in a way the vast majority of people didn’t and it it greatly affected me and I Didn’t say in which way Right. I didn’t say it had swayed my Beliefs to support the Israeli cause or swayed my belief to support the Palestinian cause The truth of it is it hardened my heart against the Palestinians it made me hate them Seeing what they did to women especially and babies and children Hardened my heart to them and I’m ashamed to admit it, but I did not tell ODNI and So if anything based on the reality of my reaction to that day I would be very prosemitic very pro Israel in my actions and they try to spit it

Corbell : let me just tell you the brush with which you are painted Directly after you were in the skiff. one individual from Odi and I told me that in the skiff Matthew Brown is a racist Jew hater. The other thing that was told to me was that Matthew Brown admitted to Completely making up and fabricating that he saw an immaculate constellation Document in the files right and that he admitted to me That Matthew Brown made that up. He came up with the name that he made it up And the third big lie that was told to me if I recall.

I think the the third point of the brush that they painted with was that the words counter espionage and treason I believe it was treason or a word like that okay that’s what was said to me by an official in ODNI who told me gossiping spilling the tea about what you said in a private skiff meeting where you were supposed to go in to be protected as a whistleblowerwill you address those three things right now

Matthew Brown : yeah so obviously I am not an anti-semite I’m not a Jew hater I grew up in elementary school with a large Jewish cohort in it we I don’t remember it anymore but we had to learn Hebrew at the time, we celebrated Hanukkah since then you know this is just so ridiculous…

Corbell : So the guy lied to me ?

Matthew Brown : Absolutely

the last thing that just makes it really ridiculous is my family has Jewish blood in it we’ve confirmed it through DNA testing.

Matthew Brown’s account of his interrogation paints a grim picture of the reality faced by whistleblowers on the ground. Not only was the promised support withheld, but they also had to contend with rumours spread by the very administration that was supposed to protect them.

Information Warfare

Matthew Brown then presents the findings of an investigation into the people behind the smear campaigns against whistleblowers.

The third thing that we talked about that I brought there of my concerns was whistleblowers and their treatment since coming forward in public, specifically how there have been coordinated online attacks against myself, Dylan Borland, David Grusch, I think Alex escaped, but the point is, is it systematic in its ongoing to this day?

We have identified the main players and found that they are active duty service members or reserve service members with active clearances doing this on their work time from work computers.

And that this network of shit talkers is directly traced back to legacy program security and that legacy program security is actively running disinformation operations and psychological operations against UAP whistleblowers, their friends and their family.

Worse than that, they are taking human intelligence methods and applying them to us in order to disrupt our lives and basically to drive us to either commit suicide or become so ostracized from our friends and family that we are no longer a threat, specifically they are sending office of special investigations agents to people’s families to break apart their families, to break apart marriages to this day, to pull children away from their parents. And these are not the parents, these are not parents who are whistleblowers, they are people who have helped us.

It’s completely unacceptable. I took some of that evidence there and brought it up. And in fact, I took more than just screenshots and posts and information about low level players. We found one of the one of the key players in the legacy security architecture lately or currently at Northrop Grumman and his name is. Name redacted. You know, in my last interview, I said that it’s been a long hard road to find allies. Have them now.

We are done taking punches and not punching back. (Name redacted) is responsible.

He is a nexus point for legacy security. He’s part of the dirty tricks department. People bring names that need to be handled to this individual. This person looks at those names, matches it to the capabilities to go achieve XYZ objectives, and then the result is an ecosystem flooded with disinformation and psychological operations and targeted attacks against whistleblowers and their allies.

Power

He then issued a stark warning to the administration.

there are traitors in your midst. We have been infiltrated and subverted from the inside by treasonous people who do not serve the interests of the United States government. They do not respect the constitutional rule of law and they do not respect human life. They only respect power and gain

Regarding Trump’s recent comments, he replied without any illusions:

According to President Trump, he can declassify anything just by thinking about it. There’s nothing stopping him from going today on a front of a camera and sharing everything he has been officially informed in his two terms as President of the United States of America. There is no procedure that needs to be followed other than what we decide is appropriate.

Given that President Trump heads the NSC — which, according to Brown, has authority over the Legacy programme — and given that Trump has already shown little restraint regarding the declassification process when it suits him, one might question the conflict of interest he faces when it comes to disclosing information on UFOs. After all, whistleblowers have already reported being pressured and threatened over this issue.

Speaking about his investigation, Brown added:

I provided that to name redacted uh you know 42 names that’s that’s a lot of names you know most of those names are individuals some of them are companies some include and most of them are companies people have never heard of um there’s a lot of network mapping to do with 42 names there’s a lot of information that has been generated.

The information the administration has received thanks to the goodwill of whistleblowers is staggering, while some in its ranks are manipulating their testimonies to damage their reputation and conduct information warfare operations on their own citizens to suppress them.