Rep. Luna : "based on the photos that I've seen I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind"

In a groundbreaking interview on the world's largest podcast, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna revealed the extent of the congressional UFO investigation in just a few years.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

Congresswoman Luna represents Florida’s 13th congressional district. She is a member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee. Additionally, she leads the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets. From 2009 to 2014, she served in the U.S. Air Force. During her time at the Portland Air National Guard, she witnessed a counter-UAP scramble exercise which she described during the interview:

…my job there was an airfield manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so, there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard. And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, “what was that?” And they're like, “eh, we can't really talk about it”.

No one really wanted to address it. And so, from what I had gathered, that had been likely a UAP. And so, that kind of was my perspective.

He didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status and he's like, “I really can't discuss it”. We couldn't really, like, identify it essentially and it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want to lose your security clearance? What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career?

Task Force

For years, Rep. Luna has been at the forefront of congressional inquiries, facing obstruction from the administration. In order to force the administration to cooperate with the investigation, Representative Luna and a bipartisan team of representatives created the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets. The task force recently made headlines by discovering previously unseen files proving a link between the CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald in the JFK assassination case.

The reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base, where both myself, Representative Mac Gaetz and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

We show up at Eglin Air Force Base, we're met by the base commander. Previous to us even showing up on this congressional delegation to investigate, the Pentagon had tried to cancel the meeting. And you can't, so this is under the last administration, so you can't just cancel a meeting and say, “you can't come to the base, that doesn't work”. So Gaetz actually was on House Armed Services at the time that oversees the US military. And so Gaetz got the chairman involved, calls back onto the Pentagon, gets this meeting on the books and you know, we were told them specifically, we wanna see information on UAPs, we wanna see the evidence and we want to have the pilots that saw these aircraft, whatever they are, or these spacecraft, we want to have briefings from them. In a nutshell, we get to Eglin Air Force Base, they keep BSing us about the Chinese spy balloon, that's not what we were there to see. And ultimately, we were in the SCIF, we got into a verbal disagreement with the base commander at the time who was denying us access to the pilots and to the information and said that we didn't have the authorization.

In the SCIF, there was many members of the intelligence community, we then go back upstairs to the conference room and proceed to again, basically have it out with this commander. And Representative Burchett said, “you know, we can do this the easy way or the hard way, you choose sir. And if it's a hard way you're gonna have you know representative Gaetz and Luna in DC questioning you So I suggest you do it the easy way”.

So he actually in the middle of the meeting, we were kind of holding his feet to the fire on it He like kind of got nervous as we were talking to him and he I kid you not he goes “You know, they're gonna like that, I'm not gonna let you see it.”

So he’s like kind thinking out loud but didn't realize that he was basically saying it and then in the middle of our meeting, he gets up and leaves the room like, “I have to go to the restroom” or something and then maybe like five minutes later this tech sergeant comes in and says “Oh the base commanders been authorized to go on leave to Georgia. He won't be coming back.” And I'm sitting there looking at Gaetz, I'm like “he just left like in the middle of a congressional delegation like that's never happened.

And then his second in command comes in and they managed to get one pilot to come down and brief us. And what I will tell you is, I will say it, Representative Gaetz has gone on record. He actually did as soon as he left office that we've seen stuff that I don't believe was created by mankind.

…the stuff that I saw at Eglin, how the military responded, me being a former service member, and then ultimately what I saw with the pushback of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

The fact that Rep. Luna dared to blame the Secretary of Defense for obstructing the UAP investigation shows how significant the subject is to the highest authorities in the U.S.

Origin

She didn't dismiss the possibility that U.S. technological development could have unlocked advanced platforms.

I think that there's a level of advanced technology that the U.S. government has. And I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm, and of course, some information is going to be classified.

Nethertheless, she countered:

but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there, that we don't have the ability to reproduce because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone right off back during the time of maybe caveman.

So we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses, “what are these things?”

And they keep saying interdimensional, and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of are these things preexisting maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension?

That stuff can kind of all sound crazy, but at the end of the day, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government… I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something, that I can tell you with confidence that exists, that we don't know how to explain currently.

She then explained her thoughts on the most likely nature of some of these UAPs.

They call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that's not something that I came up with on my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen. That's based on information that we've been told.

They've seen things, and what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.

Have I seen a portal, no. Have I seen a spaceship, personally, no. Have I seen evidence of this, yes.

Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind, yes.

Is there historical significance to this, yes.

Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text, yes.

I was in a skiff and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff but what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.

Road blocks

She showed how she linked the "UFO cover-up" to the obstruction she encountered.

So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology, yes, to an extent.

And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back-engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing, but I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people, because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I, with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact, and we can get into that story and what happened to Eglin in a second, but we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read-in authority on a special access program. That's a problem, because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy, and that's a problem. That's a big problem.

I think it's been decades of classified secret information and also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered. And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress.

And basically, to an extent, have gone rogue up until recently, you're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.

When you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something, to say that those people are crazy, to say that the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, that in itself, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it. And that's a problem. We know that the US government has not exactly been clean and a lot of what they've done with the American people, specifically to the topic of UFOs.

I would like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people and it's not even just the US government I mean there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this.

She also accused Rep. Turner of obstructing Rep. Burchett's efforts in the halls of Congress, among other examples

Representative Tim Burchett, before I got elected, was kind of on his own little island in regards to the UAP stuff. And he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100% like a thing, and that these defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon not passing all this, these black budget programs. I mean, like, he will tell you he's, again, been leading out this effort way before I got there. He had a piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FAA to report and develop a different reporting procedure for UAP stuff. And at the time, the chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped.

We had requested briefings from AARO, that's in charge of kind of compiling the investigative aspect of the UAP stuff. And by the way, from the get-go, even in talking to AARO, it was like, this organization is literally a BS organization. They're never going to tell us anything.

And every interaction that we had in the SCIF, I was like, this is a nothing burger. But then these people came forward and said that they were actually denied, they were told to not brief our group specifically on this topic. And that it was from at the time members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who. And so I actually went with another member of Congress and confronted multiple people, and they all denied denying us access.

So it's done behind the scenes, you'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up. But what I can tell you is that with the new administration, specifically with FBI, specifically with ODNI, we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have been stonewalled.

We were actually given briefings. And so what I will tell you is we are going to push for the information that we saw to be out there for the American people to see.

Disinformation

Representative Luna also attempted to demonstrate her good faith regarding the rumors of collusion between the task force and the groups hunting whistleblowers.

All I'm simply trying to say is it's not a distraction. The people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information, you have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Kash Patel, they have been truly, in regards to our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out.

I was actually able to talk to David Grusch, who is now actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech, right? So in talking with him again, not in a SCIF, we were able to actually flush out that prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife's life. He's a sound guy and then shortly after he testified this was there's this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony and so, you know again going into “All this stuff wasn't real” or if he wasn't telling the truth why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to you know, completely just disprove what he was trying to say or to discredit his actions in his testimony.

And so it is kind of coming full circle, right going back to what the task force has been able to find out.

Regarding the level of secrecy surrounding the topic, she explained:

You have advisors that think that, you know, the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it. There's this like protective complex, but then also too, I think when you are talking about these things, for a lot of people, I think that it kind of can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective.

Representative Luna is one of the few public figures who openly discusses UAPs. Even more rare is the fact that she is now convinced, based on materials she saw in classified briefings, that some advanced platforms are of non-human origin.

In the absence of actual evidence, one could consider this position a disclosure event in itself, given the worldwide coverage the interview received in just a few hours.

Clearly, the president of the United States is now the only one with the direct authority to unlock the last remaining seal of secrecy on the alleged UFO cover-up. However, his power is far from absolute; even he must respect certain constraints when declassifying materials, specifically regarding nuclear information for example. As more and more evidence points toward the White House and the National Security Council (NSC) as the authorities behind the alleged illegal UFO crash retrieval program, one could wonder if they will be willing to relinquish some of their power for the greater good.