Rep. Burlison on the UFO crash retrieval operations investigated by the ICIG: "the programs are not following the law"
In a new interview on the channel Total Disclosure, Representative Burlison confirmed information given by whistleblower David Grusch
Key Takeaways
ICIG investigation :
“They basically said that they can't, they don't have enough information, they weren't able to get into the details of what these programs were or were not doing.”
“the Office of Inspector General had a hard time getting these programs to even respond to them. That's not acceptable.”
“they confirmed, you know, of the Grusch's allegations, those were some, so those were consistent with what he was saying.”
Materials :
“I've seen a lot of fuzzy, blurry photos and videos of objects, nothing that just absolutely is groundbreakingly clear and overwhelming to me.”
“that briefing that Mr. Phillips was talking about was a briefing that would have probably indicated to, I'm just speculating because he was trying to show us some of the historical craft. And he had even done a site visit where he saw almost what he describes as a museum of this technology as it's involved.”
“Me and Anna and Tim Burchett confronted the speaker on the floor and about it. He had no idea what we were talking about.”
“what I would want to see is I want to see physically, um, either a crash vehicle or, or the bodies”
Hearings :
“We made it clear from meetings with her [Rep. Luna] and with the oversight task force that that was our goal was to try to get firsthand witnesses.”
“we can't get a lot of people to agree to come in, even do a public hearing. Ironically, some of the people that we've talked to said that they're done talking in a SCIF, that they won't go back into a SCIF, that they only want to do a public hearing, and yet when we ask them to come to the public hearing, they won't come to the public hearing”
“There's a couple of witnesses that I was really wanting or we’re having a hard time getting those, too.”
“I've had conversations with Matt Brown. He seems to be, his experience seems to be honest. He's coming. I believe that he's being completely honest and transparent. He's taking this very seriously. And you're right, he would make a great witness.”
UAPDA :
“our office has reached out to Senator Rounds office and said, you know, how can we help? We want to do our part from the House side. So we will be trying to get him into the House's version.”
QUOTES
Inspector General of the Intelligence Community’s investigation into UFO programs
35:33
They basically said that they can't, they don't have enough information, they weren't able to get into the details of what these programs were or were not doing. But what they were able to investigate, because they're mostly financially, they're investigating finances, is that the programs are not following the law, that they're not reporting to Congress, that the programs are overly compartmentalized. They're not, they're not even, you know, they said that they, the Office of Inspector General had a hard time getting these programs to even respond to them. That's not acceptable.
And so, and so they confirmed, you know, of the Grusch's allegations, those were some, so those were consistent with what he was saying.
Observation and materials
2:08
TD : I heard through the grapevine that you recently had a UFO experience.
EB : That's not true. That's not true. No, that's not true. You know, I wish that I had, and then I could kind of find some definitive into this search. But no, that's not. That's the Internet. That's somebody posting something in social media, jumping to a conclusion that's not true.
3:00
I didn't know Chris [Bledsoe], some other people reached out and said that he was in town that evening. And that was on a Thursday, I believe last Thursday. And I said, yeah, if you guys are free for dinner, we'll go have dinner. I bought everybody's dinner.
And then at the end, Chris shared a story and I just point blank said, hey, I go, where do you, because he said that he can call in UAP. I said, “where, like what locations? The desert over ponds or lakes or, you know, can you do it in a city?” He basically said anywhere and everywhere. And I said, let's do it tonight. And he took me up on it. So we went out literally to the Capitol mall and he attempted to do it in, I mean, I don't even, I couldn't even tell you what he was doing. He was just like, it's nothing different. He didn't act like a different person or anything. It's not like you're going to do a trance or anything. But, and about, you know, there's this, at some point after being there for quite some time, I said, all right, I'm ready to go to bed. And so nothing, nothing had happened.
13:39
I can tell you is I've only had secondhand accounts told me, I've never seen anything personally. I've seen a lot of fuzzy, blurry photos and videos of objects, nothing that just absolutely is groundbreakingly clear and overwhelming to me. So a lot of blurry photos, a lot of blurry videos, and secondhand information.
1:19:46
What I would want to see is… I want to see physically, um, either a crash vehicle or, or the bodies, I'd want to, that's, if I could get one thing, that's what I would want is to have, be able to see that firsthand because to me, even, just getting testimony, if I had a briefing and they, you know, disclose information. I look, I've been in a SCIF where people have said things, but at the end of the day, it's their narrative and it's their experience. So, um, I think that I want to see if we have real tangible physical photos or videos or, or objects.
AARO’s cancelled briefing on secret US tech
30:20
There's a lot of doubt about Sean Kirkpatrick and, um, and the team of AARO that was, that he was leading. Um, Tim Phillips, I think is a, I personally, I think that he is an honest as you can, and I would say my experience with Sean Kirkpatrick and with Tim Phillips is that they, I think that they, they looked and they looked at thousands of cases and every time it came up, something that they could debunk and eventually they just kind of get black, they got blackfilled, now to me, but the question, but the other question you have to ask yourself is how many thousands of times are you going to, are we all going to like look at this and if we come to dead ends at some point, you got to cut bait and say, it's not going to happen. It's not, and, and, and come to the conclusion is probably not a real phenomenon.
And so I can, I can somewhat relate because I'll tell you, it's been two years that I've been looking into this and coming into dead end after dead end, after dead end, dead end
46:19
So whenever I first, the very first hearing where David Grush came forward, and we had David Fravor and Ryan Graves testify as well. And they talked about the tic-tac, his experience with seeing the tic-tac. I was getting, I got an email from someone that was very detailed in explaining that that was a Lockheed Martin project. That was, what was it, almost three years ago?
So then since then, I've had another individual come to me. I won't say his name, but he claims to have photos and videos of different versions of this phenomenon, of the tic-tac. And as it threw out its progression. And so I'm trying to set up an opportunity where I can see that for myself first. But yeah, that's what I've been repeatedly told is that it's Lockheed Martin, but I don't know.
TD : Would it surprise you?
EB : I don't know. And it wouldn't surprise me. It would kind of fit with what is the most plausible. But I would say, you know, Tim Phillips, when he went on his interview circuit with
TD : Crusade.
EB : Yeah. And honestly, I feel like when just working with Tim that he was genuinely trying to get us the same information that they were seeing, which is very noble, right? But Tim said that he had tried to give a briefing and had gotten permission from a special access program to be able to brief us. And that briefing was not blocked by the DOD or people in the special access program. It was actually blocked by leadership is what he used in leadership.
To which I reached out to the speaker immediately. Me and Anna and Tim Burchett confronted the speaker on the floor and about it. He had no idea what we were talking about. Really, no idea whatsoever. And I believe, honestly, there are times, I think Mike Johnson is an honest individual. I think he, there's times where he makes promises that he is not able to live up to, but he's not gonna lie about something like that. He's just, and so I do believe him. But I also, I think that whenever he looked into it, had his team look into it, they indicated that it was blocked by one of the, one of the chairman or ranking members of either intelligence or HASC.
And so one of, which would, it could have been, very well could have been Mike Turner at that time. So, and that briefing that Mr. Phillips was talking about was a briefing that would have probably indicated to, I'm just speculating because he was trying to show us some of the historical craft.
And he had even done a site visit where he saw almost what he describes as a museum of this technology as it's involved. And that would be, that would be helpful in kind of ascertaining and knowing what's out there, right? Knowing what we have and being able to eliminate a lot of photos and videos that are speculatively extraterrestrial.
50:18
The fact that we were blocked from that, it was very frustrating. And I think that we're making it, because we've raised the alarm, because I've spoken with the new Intel chairman, I'm hoping that we have a different scenario.
And the other thing that's different is that we have a very transparent White House. You know, Donald Trump is a disclosure president. We've kind of had a little bit of difficulty with the Epstein files, but I think it's, at the end of the day, I think he wants the information to come out on that. He wants all of the information that, you know, some of the scandals with our intelligence community to come forward. We've had a tremendous, we've had a lot of success when it came to the JFK files. If there's anything that this task force has, I think, been successful on, it's getting more and more JFK files released. And these files are not something that the deep state wants released. When you have files that the CIA, that basically implicate the CIA in a coverup, where they're, or they're lying to Congress multiple times about the assassination of JFK, that's remarkable, really remarkable, that those documents have been released. So this president, I think, is a disclosure president, and his office has been very helpful on this.
Hearings
6:05
We made it clear from meetings with her [Rep. Luna] and with the oversight task force that our goal was to try to get firsthand witnesses.
And so the next hearing is to attempt to do that.
6:52
We keep having people that claim to have, you know, and I'm sure, I'm not doubting their stories, but then when we get them to, we can't get a lot of people to agree to come in, even do a public hearing.
Ironically, some of the people that we've talked to said that they're done talking in a SCIF, that they won't go back into a SCIF, that they only want to do a public hearing, and yet when we ask them to come to the public hearing, they won't come to the public hearing. And so, it is extremely frustrating.
7:58
I think that David Grush has reached out to a handful of people. So there's going to be some, we will have witnesses.
There's a couple of witnesses that I was really wanting or we’re having a hard time getting those, too.
38:46
I've had conversations with Matt Brown. He seems to be, his experience seems to be honest.
He's coming. I believe that he's being completely honest and transparent. He's taking this very seriously. And you're right, he would make a great witness.
Nuclear
9:18
It does appear that there's more activity or at least more reportings near nuclear facilities. Now that may be because there's a lot of eyes in the sky in there, right? So there's a lot of security, there's a lot of cameras that are looking for things and people obviously.
Whistleblowers’ backlash
11:19
It's sad that they have to start, that coming forward means that people are going to comb through or try to get access to your medical records just to disprove you. That's really an unsettling thing and kind of puts a chilling effect on anybody that might consider coming forward.
David Grusch
12:05
We're still trying to get his clearance to increase to the TSSCI level. He's not, he's not able to come into a lot of the briefings. He's able to come in at a certain level, but not very much, very high, not the levels that we need. So that's a lot of paperwork and we need, we need, you know, the proper agencies to approve that. We're still waiting on that.
But I would say that, in general, he's been extremely, extremely valuable to myself, to giving me the proper, you know, places to go. He's been very helpful in kind of reaching out to people, kind of tracking down, you know, whatever things that we need to do. It's been, it's been very worthwhile, absolutely worthwhile. And so it was one of the best decisions that I've made.
Disinformation
33:36
One of the narratives that was from the Wall Street Journal article is that this was a disinformation campaign to try to smoke people or point people away from the true projects that are happening. And if that's the case, I want to know that. I think that it's disheartening, it would be disheartening to find out that the federal government is not only just holding information and lying to the American people, but they're actually creating a false narrative that causes the American people to go down this rabbit trail and spend time, money, and resources. So at the end of the day, it's happening, and I'm just trying to get down to the bottom of why it's happening.
International
41:59
Japan is looking at creating a version in their country that's kind of like AARO to study the phenomenon. And I've had, at least on two occasions, been on Zoom calls with Japanese political leaders.
UAPDA
44:27
Chuck Schumer was actually helpful getting it into the Senate, but that language got stripped out in the House.
We've got new leaders on the Intelligence Committee. And so I'm hoping that, and I've had conversations with Rick Crawford. And I think that he's absolutely willing to be helpful on this, which is different than his predecessor. So we'll see. And, but Danny's [Sheehan] right. Like at the end of the day, all we can do is just try and then force the, you know, whoever the opposition is to actually show themselves until there is no more opposition.
52:12
Our office has reached out to Senator Rounds office and said, you know, how can we help? We want to do our part from the House side. So we will be trying to get him into the House's version. And he and I believe he will be doing that on the Senate side.
53:46
Assuming we win the midterms and we're able to keep the House, we still, we've only got so much time with this President. And so we, while we've got someone that's favorable of disclosure, we've got a pounce on it. And so I would just encourage everyone in the UAP community to do whatever you can through social media or otherwise to remind the White House that this is an important topic.
Disclosure process
1:17:58
TD : Many Americans are feeling disillusioned. They hear congressional testimony, whistleblowers like David Grush, but no follow-up. What do you say to people that are losing faith in the process?
EB : I don't know how you say the word, there's no follow up. I mean, I basically spent the last two years following up. And now, not getting to a lot of dead ends, but look, I mean, we're doing as much work as we possibly can. And, and I think that we do, I think right now, I feel probably more confident that we're going to get some answers than we have before, that I have before.
But I'm starting to see a loosening of the swamp, if you will, like I'm starting to see things like different postures and different attitudes when we're making these requests than before. So I do think that the climate right now is much better than it was two years ago.
1:19:11
I'm frustrated too I would love for this to just be over and to have definitively and be able to say “my god, it's real” and but that's not where I'm at.
So we're just gonna keep going and keep researching it figure out what it is.
1:25:53
I'll tell you that, I mean, when people say, well, “why focus on this?”, it's A, there's money being spent. B, this may be a national security issue of great importance. And then, and then C, it's also it's really interesting.
1:29:26
What I want people to know is we're not going to get anywhere unless people get out and push, right? So the car, imagine this way, the car is stalled and you're going to have to get out and push.
Maybe we can get it kick started but what I mean by that is you've got to start reaching out, you've got to use social media, you've got to start demanding, from elected officials all the way up to the White House, make it a priority, make it clear that this is a priority to you. Otherwise, no one's gonna spend any time on it. And anybody that is, like myself, is questioned as to why you're spending time on this.
Experience and Psionics
1:11:30
You got Elon Musk doing the neural link right now. That's like, but that's pretty physical hardware connected to people's, you know, kind of connecting a chip, somebody's circuitry in their brain. And that's like the cutting edge stuff that we're doing today. It's hard to believe that we would be able to come up with some, some other form of that where you don't even have some kind of physical connection or some translator that would translate the thought into some kind of broadcast. I think we're a long ways from here.
1:14:03
When people start talking about using their brain to, to control or call in a UFO, I have to like, it just, it's, it's a leap for me. And I'm highly skeptical of that.